About downloading music

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:25 pm

downloading isnt stealing, but downloading something and not paying for it is, fine its ok to download a song if you already own the CD, but what more often happens is ppl download it, and if they dont like it, they delete it, if they do like it, they keep it and burn it and many others to a CD, argo never actually buying the CD and the poor businesses selling these CD's end up in the gutter and have to steal things themselves just to survive, thus crime and poverty increase. come on ppl, end of arguement, you should never steal, no matter what the reason. unless your dying i dont want to hear about it. enough of this sinful post, for *beep* sake, its one of the commandments. its something that has existed for longer than i can even consider.

I miss the days that the punishment for theft was they cut off your hand, that punishment seems fitting to me.

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject:

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are you all *beep* in the head????? stealing is stealing! whether it is 5 dollars or 100 dollars.

its the same as saying

its ok to kill one person, but its not ok to kill two.

Post by **Phineus** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:45 pm

the poor businesses selling these CD's end up in the gutter and have to steal things themselves just to survive

Your logic doesn't play. If I buy from Sam's then according to you HMV will go out of business. But I am not obligated to keep all retailers in business. If I order music through a record club in the mail, does that mean it's my fault that retailers are over-charging so much they put themselves out of business? I don't think so. Build a better mouse trap and the world will beat a pathway to your door. It's called free enterprise. It's what north america is founded on. Look it up, it's in history books.

It's not stealing. And the discussion is not over just because you say it is.

And stop swearing please. People used to get their tongues cut out too, you know.

g8torsbizktai20 · Post by **g8torsbizktai20** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:50 pm

the thing i like about downloading is say there is only ONE song you like on an album. Instead of going out and paying like $20 now for an album(the price is getting ridiculous) i can download the one song. as long as i dont make Cds and sell them i see music downloading as fair game.

Post by **Phineus** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:54 pm

g8torsbizktai20, that's a funny thing to be saying coming from a guy holding a garden gnome ;-)

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:00 pm

g8torsbizktai20 wrote:the thing i like about downloading is say there is only ONE song you like on an album. Instead of going out and paying like $20 now for an album(the price is getting ridiculous) i can download the one song. as long as i dont make Cds and sell them i see music downloading as fair game.

but your not the only one downloading "one song" have to think about this, everyone one right now thinks they are just downloading one song.

one song to 2 billion people is a lot of lost money and lost economy.

Whynni · Post by **Whynni** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:24 pm

Wow, I'd better turn on the airco in this thread!! :shock:

the thing i like about downloading is say there is only ONE song you like on an album

I agree, g8torsbizktai20! I don't necesarrily need a whole album of an artist. Sometimes, that one song is good, but the rest is crap to fill the empty space of the CD. Actually, I would not buy a CD for one song, so if I download that song, the company doesn't earn less money because of me, because I wouldn't have bought the album anyway.

but your not the only one downloading "one song" have to think about this, everyone one right now thinks they are just downloading one song.

And that's compensated by the people who download songs to get to know new artists to buy the real albums. A lot of unknown bands get known because of the Internet. Unknown songs get known through the Internet. Didn't David Bowie put a free downloadable song of his new album on his website to promote it?

"Het kan beter van een kerk af dan van een kapel"

Bedankt

for explaining, OLD_mumhra!

[off-topic mode]
The name Hasselt rings a bell, but I'm not sure where exactly it's located.

Phineus, I had to read a story about you for my Greek Mythological class.

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Post by **Phineus** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:35 pm

That wasn't me. I wasn't even born yet [:P]

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:47 pm

its ok to download free songs, its not ok to download songs that arent free. If an artist wants to give out there songs for free thats ok, but illegal downloading from places such as kazaa, imesh and other online download sites is illegal and costs everyone millions daily

the company doesn't earn less money because of me, because I wouldn't have bought the album anyway.

your trying to justify theft, if you only wanted the one song, there are places like napster where you can buy the single song. you dont have to steal it

Whynni · Post by **Whynni** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:53 pm

To me, Slayer, it looks as if you're bouncing in many directions to make your point. We know your opinion. It is not nessesary to use so much useless space in your posts to convince us. Swearing doesn't help either or any other possible device you'd like to use to draw attention to your thoughts. Actually, your opinion is much more appreciated when you share it in a kind way.

I'm not saying that you are wrong. You're right that doing something illegial is bad. My point is that downloading music should become legal.

trackster · Post by **trackster** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:02 pm

i don't think this has been said but downloading music is legal in canada

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:16 pm

trackster wrote:i don't think this has been said but downloading music is legal in canada

it might be im not sure, dont c why not, unless the artist wants money for their work then it might aswell be free.

I feel i might connect more with you ppl if i in my own way justify downloading.

macromeda flash, firworks, dreamweaver. just look at the price tags, they dont deserve that much money, they deserve to have their product stolen.

something too few ppl know, you can get crazy amounts of free music at newgrounds

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio
of almost any genre. and its all completly free.

for the last time id like to summerize (them im not posting here again)

I think downloading music is ok, but only if it was the direct intent of the artist (IE the song is free).

Post by **Phineus** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:02 pm

I wonder if Slayer is in a band, or hopes to make a cd one day ?

Whynni · Post by **Whynni** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:02 am

I wonder if Slayer is in a band, or hopes to make a cd one day ?

Good point! If so, I guess the genre of "protest songs" fits him best.

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:48 pm

My quote was deleted for apperntly being bad.

I'll leave a link to the quote and if you feel you wont be offended you can read it.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... icindustry

Its about Maddox's views about the music industry. Profanity is about 6/10 but im pretty sure he avoids the f-word some how.

Again only view it if your not easily offended, and if you are offended afterall, the guy has a hate mail section.

Whynni · Post by **Whynni** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:33 am

Thanks everyone for posting here. I've written my essay, which I'll submit to my teacher tomorrow. It was quite a challenge to write it, though.